Reply #30 By: apdelong31 - 10/10/2004 12:12:52 PM Ah, but that I am not.

Then what makes you believe that hitparade does? Why? Is it because he doesn't follow you precepts?

Here's my JU coming out. So many times I've heard certain "JU elders" go on and on about how Democrats/liberals don't understand anything, are "sheep", need to focus on other issues, are more inflammatory than Republicans/conservatives, etc. All you have to do is go to the JU homepage!!! It'd riddled with conservative slant and underhanded character judgments. Not to mention almost every stinking article on the front page is written by Draginol.

And Patriot Flamethrower, you can now take your one man "patriot party" and blacklist your butt the hell out of my blog. I've seen what you had to say on other threads and frankly, I won't have it on any of mine.

hitparade, only confirming my assumption that you are impotent.

Well, well well.

I find you are less compassionate than you claim the conservatives should be.

Hmm, no walking around that one, you can try but you will only be lying to yourself and us.

I think it is time for some personal introspection for you.

Hypocrisy is very unbecoming behavior for a proper debater.

By the way your party and the other major party had Badnarik and Cobb arrested when they tried to show cause papers to be in the debate Friday night, Democracy inaction (one word on purpose).

- GX
The Anti-Demican Anti-Republicrat Libertarian

I am of the opinion that a THIRD PARTY is the answer to this country's woes, and I have a name for it, The Patriot Party.

This could easily be interpreted as a Nazi argument in the early thirties.

there are as many leftie Demican articles as there are Rightie Republicrat articles, where have you been, apparently not looking at JU, eh?

But are the lefties read, commented on and scarcely featured as much as righties --that's Tangled's point.

Reply #33 By: stevendedalus - 10/10/2004 1:35:24 PM There are as many leftie Demican articles as there are Rightie Republicrat articles, where have you been, apparently not looking at JU, eh? But are the lefties read, commented on

Yes the lefts posts are as read AND commented on as the right-wingers are.

INDEED, YOU ARE A FOOL... SUCK ON THIS (MY MIDDLE FINGER). YOU'RE A PUNK. THAT SIMPLE!

hitparade....case study-obiviously impotent as Andy has pointed out because of 2 things 1-ALL CAPS LEAD TO OVERCOMPENSATION and 2-He wanted someone to suck on his finger.....obviously drawing attention away form the genitals.

drmiler...case study-Sad and pathetic, has to stick up for an obvious asshat in order to try and get some sense of self worth in life....

And that's all I wrote,
~Zoo

Hi Apdelong!

At least for the last few weeks, I would say significantly more of the stories posted to the main page have been right wing than left wing. Of course, the sample size is small, so I'm not using "significant" in the statistical sense.

To me, the Bush supporters seem somewhat more likely to "get personal" in their comments than the people who oppose Bush; but that could just be my take, since I'm not Bush's biggest fan. I've generally avoided making personal comments about individuals here, so I'm always surprised when people make personal comments about me -- but maybe I'd feel exactly the same way if were posting from the other side.

Things have gotten much more heated in the last month, and I think it may be true that the Left is better represented now than it was a month ago. That may be precisely why arguments seem angrier -- the discussions may be less one sided. That's a guess, since I haven't done any exhaustive analysis of the forums. The people on the Right may also perceive that JoeUser has been invaded by Leftists. I don't know.

I think some of the people on the Right perceive themselves to be at the center, which causes them to see these disagreements as being between moderates and leftist wackos. Maybe some of the people on the Left see the right wing users through the same lens, but I don't. When I've written comments saying that Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to lie or use slimy tactics, my perception has been that the left wing users are more likely to agree, while the right wing users are more likely to insist that the Democrats cheat and dissemble more often. The sample size on that is small enough that it may mean nothing.

As I've indicated, I see no inherent reason to think Bush supporters are any less open to being wrong than those who oppose Bush.

Blogic: Go and look at your most recent articles. Do you think you contribute to the idea that Democrats cheat and dissemble less often?

If there is a difference I would say that the Republicans I know tend to address the person they are talking to with derision, whereas the Democrats I know tend to make sweeping insults toward groups that include the people they are talking to. A Republican might tell someone thier idea is idiotic, but a Democrat would nod and say something about how brainwashed and ignorant Bush supporters tend to be.

It's the same thing. You can call me an idiot, or you can say Republicans are idiots and assume that since I am a Republican I'll get the point. There's no difference, (Except, perhaps, a bit of cowardice...).

This argument itself is a generalization, I know, but my experience leads me to the conclusion.

I thought of another change that may have contributed to more heated discussions. One thing that's happened over the last month is that the handling of the Iraq War and Reconstruction has become the dominant issue for both campaigns. If JoeUser is like other geek web sites, many of us are libertarian on some number of issues. I think there may be libertarians here who strongly prefer Bush on Iraq issues, see themselves as politically independent or centrist, and see the people who are strongly critical of Bush's handling of Iraq as being somewhat extreme in their views or tone.

Once again, that's just a guess.

I do have to agree that on the front page most of the posted things are from right wingers, but that is Draginols right.

Reply #13 By: Draginol - 10/7/2004 9:25:38 PM BTW, Gerry, if you really think there are few left leaning writers here then I suggest you aren't looking very hard because they outnumber the regular conservative writers. You've got: Champas Socialist stevendedalus blogic COL Gene Myrrander T_Bone4Justice WiseFawn shadesofgrey And these aren't just people who have made one post or something. These are fairly prolific writers. In the current events channel, 5 of the 8 top posts are very left leaning. Only 1 of the 8 is right wing. Like I said, I think this post demonstrates a point I've made before - that the left is intolerant of other points of view.

Add me to that list of people. And we are not intolerant of other points of views, though I do think that the article calling me and wisefawn terrorists was pretty close to being INTOLERANT.

Indeed. The worst things I see liberals get called here are things like "naive" or "bleeding heart". Meanwhile, I get called a "fascist" or a "Nazi" and what not by the so-called compassionate tolerant left wingers around here.

Please see the above "terrorist" comment.

double post

Sandy, maybe you should point out where someone called you a terrorist, so people will understand. I know that I have pointed out that you make the same statements they do, and that terrorists mirror Liberals in their press releases, and that they cheer on anti-Bush elements here. I don't recall, however, seeing anyone say you were going to behead people or blow them up.

My point was simply look carefully at who you are propping up when you haphazardly criticize and inflate the mistakes of the US. I don't think you or wisefawn are terrorist, but I, myself, would be worried if some of my blogs sounded like al Qaeda press releases. I do, also, think it lends to their cause when people carry their message with no regard for careful balance.

I said, about ten million times, it isn't what you and wisefawn were saying, it was how you were carelessly saying it.

Here let's break it down to what I see here looking at politicalmachine instead of the front page of Joe User (which is under Brad's control). With the political machine view: Link

I see the following articles in what caterogories I think they belong (warning may not be 100% accurate):
Liberal - apdelong31 1, blogic 6, sandy2 3, COL Gene 1, Bahu Virupaksha 1, stevendedalus 4, Politically Active 1, Myrrander 1
Total = 18

Independent - Faithful American 1, joeKnowledge 1, Lee1776 1, O G San 2, oligarchy314 1, Repisgood 1 (though it is a wacky post), Spc Nobody Special 1, T-Man 1, grandg 1
Total = 10

Conservative - Draginol 4, little_whip 1, couchman 1, hitparade 2, BakerStreet 1,IanTyger 1, CamMeg 2, d3adz0mbie 2, Tractormansavestheday 1
Total = 15

Libertarian - Grim Xiozan 1
Total = 1

Australian - Muggaz 1, Champas Socialist 1, cactoblasta 1
Total = 3


So, this horrible imbalance is nothing more than the imagination of some people, after all if you look at the front of www.joeuser.com, only the Mods have control over what is posted there, so refer to looking at politicalmachine forum to see the whole picture.

- GX

WOOHAH, some of the numbers may be off but the gist of it is down.

- GX

Grim,
Like Draginol, the people you are talking about are the ones that you see as conservative, liberal etc. There is no doubt that some that you refer to are as you tag them, however, I belive inevitably your judgement is subjective. My original point about number of articles was about overtly partisan articles representing those peoples particular prejudices (the only reason I included this one because it was the one I commented on.)